JP recently appeared on “Jubilee”, the YouTube channel known for having “debate-ish” videos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pwk5MPE_6zE
The setup here is they will take some person and surround them with tens of their opponents, so you have “Jordan Peterson vs 20 Atheists”.
In this exact video, one of the people asks JP if he’s a Christian and he replies “Don’t be a smartass!”
I haven’t seen someone that espouses so many Christian values and philosophy while trying to hold it at arm’s length. Is this just part of the usual JP tactic where you call into question any terms used in a discussion to sound deeply philosophical?
He seems to have an atypical relationship with Christianity and I can’t decide if that’s some genuine crisis he has OR if he just pretends to hold this stance just to add one more slippery facet to his behavior.
If nothing else, it’s very odd.
He’ll never answer any question because it’s an easy way to avoid being pinned down on any position, which makes him immune to all criticism (in his eyes).
Schroedingers grifter refuses to have his beliefs observed
Yeah, after watching his Jubilee session, Jordan’s debate strategy boils down to…“I’d like to nitpick the definition of every word and supplant it with my own”.
The funny thing is that these are the people that say college is a waste of time. Could you imagine if you or your kids were a student of this guy? I’d sue to get my tuition and lost time back.
Grifters gotta grift
I can’t fucking stand Jordan Peterson, I’ve never seen him go through a whole debate without being a disingenuous, obnoxious prick. When he knows he’s backed into a corner, he pulls out the reductio ad absurdum (what is “is”). The only other fake intellectual I hate more is Ben Shapiro and his “Gish Gallop”.
I’ve listened to Jordan Peterson a lot in long form conversations. This is my generous interpretation of his views.
Peterson believes that all humans have a hierarchy of values and desires.
Eg you go to work in order to get money in order to get food in order to live in order to play tennis in order to enjoy yourself…
At the top of this hierarchy is the thing that you’re ultimately after in life. Jordan defines this thing as “god” and defines the pursuit of it “worship”. Therefore, everyone has a god and everyone worships.
He also believes that the past doesn’t really exist, as much as our societal memory of it. He would say that the story of Cain and Abel in the Bible is “True”, because it is the archetypal brotherly rivalry that we all embody in some sense.
Putting this together. The Bible is “True”. Everyone has a “God” they have a personal relationship with and that they “worship”.
He is essentially defining things such that everyone is a Christian. Then he says that people just don’t understand what Christianity really is.
He also refuses to admit that most Christians wouldn’t define God in the way that he does.
Peterson is in practice an atheist that has successfully monetised right wing religious conservatives, and can’t risk alienating that base by admitting that he doesn’t have belief in anything close to resembling the way that they do.
He is essentially defining things such that everyone is a Christian.
My high school friend who became a religious weirdo, said to me that I’m Christian because I’m a good person, dosen’t matter if I said that I’m Atheist. By that logic everything good is Christian because h label everything he found good as Christian.
his only purpose for the right is to draw in more socially/incel men to right wing circles, hes funded by russia. hes a propaganda mouthpiece, much like rogan and shapiro is.
That’s the grifters secret.
A lot of the New Atheists (and adjacent intellectuals) are doing this type of sophistry where they’ve doubled back on their old positions and claimed to be “culturally christian”. It’s partially an admission that they are uncomfortable with the direction secular, progressive society has taken in the past 20 years or so.
“Sophistry” is a negative word btw. Didn’t think I’d need to clarify that but here we are.
What’s dumber is the video origionally was called 1 christian vs 20 atheists, and you see in the video at least one atheist brought up the video title that they all knew before they started. (In other words, Jordan Peterson specifically volunteered to play the christian in a video that when he agreed to it was called, 1 christian vs 20 atheists) Then later demanded they rename the video.
But further its simple, JP preffers to attack people’s specific stances, from a nebulous position where he never has to give his own stance because he can’t defend his own stance.
Peterson retreats to a politically convenient solipsism whenever challenged on anything. He is not a serious person.
Succinctly put. In retrospect his behavior is classical grifting, but because he’s so well educated in psychology and has spent decades lecturing students he’s well armed to win over the 16-30yo disenfranchised/semi-intellectual male audience without them realizing.
His presentation of psychology leaves me with the impression that he is someone who is not well educated in the field. And I am saying this as someone with a background in a field that is very close to psychology.
His explanations of human experience and society rely on psychoanalysis and he only seems to cite more recent work when it reinforces his view point. His general approach to understanding human psychology is outdated.
<—-1800’s——psychoanalysis—-1900—behaviorism—-1950s——the cognitive revolution—-present day psychology—->
Petersons view of the mind and society is stuck in he past.
I can completely believe you - but this man is a certified psychologist and has lectured and even written psychology textbooks, right? When I watched a few videos in the past (circa 2017) to find out who this guy the alt right was falling in love with was, I took away from it that broadly he was a grifter selling himself & books, but as for his discussions on psychology I’m a layman so couldn’t digest some of it. He sure does seem to think the world starts and ends with Carl Jung though, almost every problem had a solution that came back to a Jungian archetype.
I think that’s a really accurate characterization. He has mastered the art of speaking without communicating.
JP is an atheist, but he recognizes the value in other people believing in Christianity. This is because the myths and symbols reinforce his worldview to people who (he views) aren’t smart enough to get there with reasoning.
Also, like all Western Chauvinists, he can’t let go of the idea of “Christendom”.
He literally wanted to open a church and deliver servons every Sunday. He is not an atheist, he is just a charlatan.
Highly recommend anyone interested in him read this article / open letter written by an (ex) close friend and colleague, back in 2018.
JP expresses a belief in a deity.
That makes him a theist, even if that deity isn’t how we would typically conceive of god.
“God is conscience <that exists beyond the ideal as a social construct>”
“What do you mean ‘belief?’ What do you mean by ‘in?’ What does ‘a’ mean?”
That’s just his go to when he realizes he’s going to be mocked. Or he’s about to be proven stupid.
Guarantee you his definition of “god” would have changed had someone called him on his bullshit about Elisha or Jonah. (They expressed a view that one’s conscience is “the voice of god”… not god…)
“Oh, you’re really something aren’t you?”
“I am, and you’re nothing, aren’t you?”
Mr Smarty Pants got destroyed.
“I don’t want to talk with this guy!”
Fuck Peterson…. He’s a white supremacist.
“I don’t like that question. I don’t LIKE that question. I don’t like THAT question…!”
Reading “god is conscience” in Kermit’s voice was surprisingly hilarious
JP is an atheist
He won’t readily admit to that either. He somehow sits in the void between atheists and theists.
Atheist is a bit of an stupid term anyway. It’s like saying I’m non-golfer.
Agnosticism is a thing. He might be off in his own weird non-declarative void-like corner but the whole intermedium isn’t like that.
Psedo-intellectual grifter
He’s Schrodinger’s Christian. Mother fucker is so slippery, getting a straight answer out of him is akin to trying to nail jello to a wall. Good luck.
It’s not odd. He’s a hypocritical grifter and should be ignored by all. The framing of this post is concerning. This is not a man people should listen to
I was just gonna go with “Who gives a shit?” but you put it better.
I think it speaks to his style of arguing. He doesn’t commit to anything, so he can’t be caught in the wrong on anything. He’s free to take pot shots at his opponents while never giving them an opportunity to hold him accountable for his wrongheaded BS.
He’s a conservative. Conservatives cannot be held to any sort of philosophical or ideological consistency, because their positions on any issue are entirely negotiable. There are no fundamentally conservative values beyond “is this good for me?” That’s why it’s so appealing to conservatives to have a personal savior who fully accepts your apology and offers divine forgiveness for any transgressions.
Reducing half of the country’s population to a caricature like that is neither true nor helpful. Conservatives aren’t all the same - no more than Democrats are. You’d call them out for that kind of generalization, so you should hold yourself to the same standard.
I’m not reducing anyone to anything. Conservativism is always exactly the same, which is why it’s called “conservativism.” If a conservative isn’t conservative, then they are something else.
It’s not a generalization, it’s the name for the phenomenon.
