• @HiTekRedNek@lemm.ee
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    When the government is powerful enough to cause genocides, that’s a problem. It’s far easier to just not give your money to a business that engages in such practices.

    Not giving money to your government, however, is considered tax evasion.

  • @delusion@lemmy.myserv.one
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    Talk with people! Discuss it with your friends! Be aware that they might have a very different outlook on this, so be patient with people. Here is a list of things to do when discussing this with people supporting Israel:

    • Don’t berate them. These are your friends, not murderers. Direct your anger towards the actual murderers.
    • Ask them if they believe Israel is mounting a heavy disinformation/propaganda campaign towards the west. If they do not believe this, it is relatively easy to prove, see example below.
    • Show them the Twitter accs of Itamar Ben Gvir and Bezalel Smotrich. These guys are quite outspoken in their intentions.
    • Show them examples of heroic acts of Palestinas, rather than just Palestinians suffering. This will help them respect Arabs, as that seems to be difficult for many Americans due to two and a half decades of Indoctrination that all arabs all terrorists.
    • Also the obvious things (tens of thousands of children killed, not letting food enter, cutting off water, etc)

    Example of Israeli disinformation: They created a fake hamas website (hamas dotttt com) whereas the real website was taken down from all of internet (hamas dottt ps). The fake one was heavily promoted by Israel’s official twitter acc and several Israeli government officials on twitter and recieved heavy traffic during Oct 2023-end of 2024. Use the wayback machine or similar for this, I believe both sites are down now.

    There has also been many, many other lies by the Israeli government. Find proved examples and show.

  • @muusemuuse@lemm.ee
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    leave the country. You are paying taxes, purchasing goods and services, raising families, and just being here enables the genocide machine to continue churning. We have no representation here. It’s all performative. But take their money away and oh boy do they notice that.

  • FlashMobOfOne
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    Unless you’re a billionaire or willing to go full Player 2, there’s nothing you can do on a macro scale.

    You can, in your little slice of the world, do good things. When ICE asks you if you’ve seen someone, you tell them you haven’t. If you’re walking past a business getting raided and see a brown person, you tell them to turn around and get away. If you run a school and ICE shows up, you stand up for the kids they’re trying to kidnap. If you see ICE kidnapping someone, at minimum, film and post it. If there’s a group of people willing to physically intervene, join them.

    That’s it.

    Voting doesn’t solve this because all Democrats have to offer is strongly-worded letters, and Donald uses those letters to wipe Elon Musk’s ass. Their choice was aiding and abetting fascism or getting richer, and they chose the money.

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      Furthermore:

      Be aware of local political groups in your areas that share values that align with yours. Generally, have a practice of being involved. Work out how your state and local elections and party machines operate, run for empty positions or support good candidates who will do the job, and not sell out to the local moneybags.

      Attend protests. Sure, it might look like a bunch of people standing outside getting rained on with soggy cardboard signs, but protest works. It shows others that even though you may be afraid, you’re still standing up for what you believe is right. Support protests you agree with - order them some pizzas or something.

      There’s no longer a choice about what to do - become an activist, or become complicit.

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        Attend protests.

        Meh, not sure I agree on this one, unless you’re part of the Marsha P. Johnson school of brick throwing and you’re going armed. Protests accomplish nothing (apart from making it easier for ICE to identify people) without a credible threat of violence.

        • @Disaster@sh.itjust.works
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          I disagree with you. Protests accomplish a great deal, and send an undeniable message when that message is appropriately scoped and targeted.

          Protests show popular support for an issue in ways that are impossible to minimize or ignore, and they are effective in moving the needle on issues. Have a few tens of thousands of people take to the streets sends an undeniable message. Even getting a hundred people to chant something in a town square sends an undeniable message. Just because the outcome isn’t immediately visible doesn’t mean that nothing was accomplished.

          NEVER go to a protest armed, that defeats the purpose. Why make a situation worse by making everyone surrounding the protest regardless of whether they’re uniform, or just someone getting to and from lunch fearful for their lives? That’s very bad advice. Additionally, gearing up almost automatically makes for a bad look. Half of what a protest aims to accomplish is to show the other side of an issue “We are here, we aren’t something you should be afraid of, we are people like you” - how is that aim going to be achieved by masking up like a bunch of cosplaying militarized goons? You don’t want that. I don’t want that. Believe it or not, I doubt half of the people co-opted into ICE want that. And part of the message has to be “We don’t need this in our lives”

          Just take a look at the campus protests regarding the Palestinian Genocide. First off the students were made out to be violent, which as it turns out is largely untrue, then a bunch of pro-israel actual crazies showed up and started assaulting them (and random people) on the street. Not a good look, even with media minimization. By simply being there, and refusing to give up, they have raised awareness on the issue despite the personal cost. Those people have taken a great personal risk to do something about a situation they find ethically intolerable. I think that deserves respect, at the very least.

          Be loud, focused and get your point across, but be respectful. I’ve seen police step in to stop potentially/violent counterprotestors on many occasions, believe it or not they do actually try to be neutral even in the face of provocation - so don’t offer that kind of fear to anyone sharing the local environment whilst making your point. There’s so little respectful middle ground remaining that it is critical to preserve it, because this is now a wasting asset.

          This situation is now tilting towards the question of how much the lack of protest and visible popular opposition emboldens a group of self-serving individuals, before the cumulative risk becomes worse than the risk of protesting and possibly getting hurt. Constant, nonviolent protest in even the face of state violence is how to win this, and sure, that puts the protestors at risk. Risk is part of this equation, it’s coming for us - for many it’s already here - and can no longer be ignored.

          I get that it’s hard work. Sometimes it feels like nothing is accomplished, and it’s not shocking and awe inspiring…but Hard Work is what’s required to correct this trajectory. We spend so much time and effort making entertainment about one special person or one special moment that we’ve given ourselves a social impediment vs. truly understanding the kinds of efforts, risks and suffering it took to get to a more equitable society in the first place.

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            You and I will just have to agree to disagree on this. Have a good day.

    • @theneverfox@pawb.social
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      Voting with your wallet is a lie, like recycling plastic

      You can’t do collective action individually. You can make the house hurt a little bit, but you’ll never force them to change through what you buy. The house always wins, unless you get together to change the rules

      • @steeznson@lemmy.world
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        I disagree with this. You can already see a recent example of Canadian consumers avoiding US imports, creating pressure on US companies, and the US government reacting by making moves to curtail the original tarrifs proposal.

        Obviously the Canadian boycott was only one component but I believe it did have a meaningful impact.

        Kind of agree with you re:plastics. Last time I read about it they could only be recycled once into inferior quality plastic. Ironically in this case I’d suggest voting with your wallet is a solution to the plastic problem since businesses will react to more consumers switching to responsibly packaged products like paper bags for fruit + veg from a local grocers. One of the large supermarket chains in the UK, Waitrose, switched to paper bags due to public pressure in the past few years.

        • @theneverfox@pawb.social
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          The Canadian boycotts are not “voting with your wallet”, they’re collective action.

          Canadians, together, decided to boycott American goods. Their leaders cancelled deals. Their local stores and suppliers decided they’d rather source from anywhere else. The Canadian government started working on trade deals with everyone else

          The nation of Canada as a whole is boycotting American goods. They’re not doing this individually, they have an organized response

    • @the_q@lemm.ee
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      482 days ago

      This but big. Large scale disruption to the economy would do a lot toward fixing problems.

      • 6️⃣9️⃣4️⃣2️⃣0️⃣
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        342 days ago

        Exactly. Here’s a thought… and I’m just spitballing here: tariffs. Then take them away. Then add them again. Then take them away. Then add them again. /s

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            Look, we don’t just elect anyone, here. How many pussies have they grabbed? How many bankruptcies? These kinds of things are the bedrock of our election standards, established in 2015, and cannot, in good conscience, be unanswered.

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        Buy local, in cash.

        Every card transaction benefits the big credit card companies, all of which are complicit. Local businesses are some of the ones hit hardest from all of this and will need your support.

        Avoid chains owned by local folks, too. Those big chains still benefit even if it’s your neighbor that owns the local McDonalds.

        Support things the government is trying to destroy, like your local library, and your local stores that sell LGBT positive merchandise.

        Make friends with your neighbors. Grow things in your yard that they need and trade for stuff you need. Many folks that seem in agreement with all of this really aren’t if you know them. We are stronger together.

        In regards to home gardens, Not everyone needs everything, but everyone needs something. If you can get chickens or some kind of egg laying fowl, then that’s a possibility as well. Guineas are fighters and do well in areas without a lot of brush or low trees.

        Bike as much as you can. Avoid gas as much as you can. Ride the bus or a train. Don’t fly anywhere. Install solar panels if you are able. Capture rain water and use it for your garden.

        Buy used as much as possible, especially clothes.

        Replace your single use materials in your home with reusable ones. Rags instead of paper towels, glass containers instead of plastic ones, metal straws, and a water pick instead of floss.

        Make things. Anything. Don’t monetize your hobbies, share them instead. Trade homemade goods and art for other stuff.

        Avoid the dollar as much as possible, and use cash when you can’t.

        • @Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world
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          Where possible, avoid buying from companies that are complicit.

          Unless you buy from local creators/farmers, EVERYONE is complicit.

          • ᴍᴜᴛɪʟᴀᴛɪᴏɴᴡᴀᴠᴇ
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            Simply existing is destroying the planet, so, like many things, you practice harm reduction. If I need to buy hardware or tools, and there’s no local shop, I go to Lowe’s. Not because Lowe’s is awesome, it’s a shitty corporation. But because Home Depot donates money to groups that practice gay conversion therapy, which is worse than anything I know of that Lowe’s does.

            Pretty much every decision you make can be about harm reduction on some level. Don’t let perfect be the enemy of better.

            • @Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world
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              My problem is that I never even HEARD of the Home Depot thing.

              Here’s one you may or may not know about. Nestle actually engages in and uses literal slave labor to grow coco beans in other countries.

              So you think “well, how hard is it really to just buy hersheys chocolate instead? And buy your cookies from local bakeries?”

              Except no. Nestle is more than just chocolate. It’s like hundreds of brands. I’m constantly checking packaging now to see if their logo is on products. It owns DiGorno pizza. It owns Hot Pockets. It owns water bottles. It’s like half the grocery store. And that’s just ONE COMPANY!!!

              My issue isn’t accepting that you’re right. My issue is keeping track of it all. I’ve hated Nestle since 2012. I didn’t realize the scope of their brands until 2020. I think they even own a pet food company that makes dog food and cat food. Now granted I don’t have pets, so I’d not have delt with that, but still.

              I only have so many brain cells left to rot before I’m a full on dementia ridden crazy person who thinks it’s still the Nixon years, despite the fact I was born in 1983.

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                The No Thanks app let’s you scan barcodes to quickly check if a product is on the BDS list. You can also search. Either way it only takes a few seconds to check if unsure about a brand

              • It was about the same years for me that I realized the scale of evil at Nestle, followed by learning they make everything. In fact we were even born the same year.

                I hear you. All we can do is our best.

          • @throwawayacc0430@sh.itjust.works
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            But your local farmers likely voted for the more genocidal candidate. Does that count as being complicit?

            Also, their seeds likely have to rebought every year from some corporation, due to patents BS, meaning you are still indirectly supporting evil.

            Ah fuck, we’re all gonna end up in The Bad Place.

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            Not every one but all mega corps for sure and we are mostly fucked by them…

      • Match!!
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        “vote with your wallet” while our wallets are empty

  • zombie bubble kitty
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    join your local protests today :)

    if protests didn’t work they wouldn’t try so hard to fight it/buty it

    they say violence is never the answer but historically, well, history disagrees.

      • Most nations are built on genocide, it’s an unfortunate part of human nature to be cruel to those not like your group.I mean the last hundred years alone, the of Cossacks if Crimea, the holocaust, Kaiser run Germany committed one before WW2, Ottomans genocide Armenia, China is actively engaged in one now, as well as Israels current actions in Gaza, and that’s just off the top of my head, but somehow only the USA is built on it. You ignore the skeletons in your own foundations and dishonor yourself and their deaths by doing so

          • @AidsKitty@lemmy.world
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            You’re saying they don’t pay for their weapons? Pretty sure we would stop selling them weapons if they weren’t ever paying for them.

            • @BrainInABox@lemmy.ml
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              I am indeed saying that. Remember that the US government doesn’t have state run arms industries: the money is going to private companies regardless of whether Israel buys them, or the US government buys them and gifts them to Israel. It’s not about money.

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                True we don’t have state run arms industries but never think the military industrial complex isn’t part of the government. In America it’s always about the money.

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                  Yeah, but the military industrial complex still gets its cut when the US gifts Israel weapons, it just comes from the US tax payers.

  • I don’t know, but I know of one thing citizens SHOULDN’T do to prevent their country enabling genocide. That is forfeiting their future by electing a dictator that might genocide poor people on the other side of the world a little less in exchange for giving up freedoms. I get it. Voluntarily making our lives worse/harder because it might help poor people in another country sounds like a grand and noble thing to do. But now they’re sending American citizens to concentration camps. If you think this was a fair trade, just block me right now. Don’t be like gen Z and swing voters in the 2024 US election. Sometimes you just have to choose to save yourself first.

  • NoneOfUrBusiness
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    The Spanish went on general strike to stop their country’s complicity in genocide, but failing that you can start with these guys. You can just write BDS on Wikipedia if you want to know what they’re about, but this site has plenty of concrete, actionable steps you can take to reduce your, your community’s, your workplace’s and—with enough people on board—your country’s complicity in genocide. I’d suggest looking into apartheid-free zones as a start. I also want to note that the best thing you can do for Palestinians is to spread the word and get more people on the side of humanity.

    Also, if you’re not already doing so, organize in your community and workplace, and use your collective leverage to push for causes you care about. Be an active participant in the fight against fascism and for democracy, equity and solidarity. These values, I should add, are already mutually exclusive with Zionism, so you’d be hitting two birds with one stone.

    Edit: In case anyone wants assurance that this works (or just wants to enjoy some economic schadenfreude), enjoy.

  • Angel Mountain
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    Speak up, tell people what you think and why.

    If that doesn’t work: something was added to your constitution for this situation, the second amendment. You can use your six shooter to go up to the government’s tank and gunships. Good luck.

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      We don’t put it in the tourism brochures, but it turns out guns are really expensive. Which sucks because the fash seem to have all the money at the moment.