• @Blackmist@feddit.uk
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    897 days ago

    They asked me how well I understood theoretical physics. I said I had a theoretical degree in physics. They said welcome aboard.

  • @Snowclone@lemmy.world
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    166 days ago

    If anyone is curious, they will fire you if you fabricate this level of education. Lie on your resume? Sure. Totally fabricate education and experience you don’t have? Fruad.

  • @UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
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    227 days ago

    No one checks. No one questions.

    Any Fortune 500 company is going to check, particularly if you’re aiming for a job in upper management.

    And if you’re working a government contract, you’re almost certainly going to get a background check for any kind of security clearance.

      • @seestheday@lemmy.ca
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        87 days ago

        Maybe yours doesn’t, but plenty do.

        Source: have worked at multiple companies interviewing people who would have been promising candidates, but got bounced during the screening process.

    • Maeve
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      77 days ago

      And if you’re working a government contract, you’re almost certainly going to get a background check for any kind of security clearance.

      🥴

    • @lobut@lemmy.ca
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      107 days ago

      Brianna Wu

      Never known anything but I have seen the name. So I’ve skimmed her Wikipedia just now. So she was harassed during GamerGate. Is Pro-Israel and claims the left is letting down their Jewish allies. Had a few congressional bids.

      Oh, I see her with something with Cenk and Rebellion PAC. Not gonna lie, I gave up on Cenk ages ago and it seems things haven’t gotten much better for him (especially lately with him and Ana apparently attacking the left?).

      I’ve probably skimmed too fast but what specifically are you referring to? I see she didn’t get a full degree from the University of Mississippi.

      • @ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world
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        47 days ago

        There’s also a Dead Domain video, that goes into great detail of her other shenanigans, like lying about being a cis woman.

        • I mean in an age of overt transphobia, I can’t fault someone for hiding the fact. I do hate when people weaponize their own identity to attack others in the queer community

        • @pyre@lemmy.world
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          been meaning to watch that but I already hate Wu so I don’t know if I can take it. really like dead domain though. very cool person.

      • Maeve
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        37 days ago

        A while back on Lemmy, someone mentioned Hassan Piker. I finally got around to looking him up, today. What a wild read! Apparently he’s Cenk’s nephew.

    • @BigPotato@lemmy.world
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      117 days ago

      Any organization is going to ask for a transcript if they ‘really’ want someone with a degree. You don’t even need a full background check.

      • @Hawk@lemmynsfw.com
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        26 days ago

        I have never once been asked to provide a transcript. Literally never. I also don’t know anybody who has been asked to verify qualifications.

        I’m sure it happens but it’s not the standard.

      • @slacktoid@lemmy.ml
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        Can’t you fake a transcript? Like if they aren’t going to check then a fake authentic looking transcript should work right?

        • @BigPotato@lemmy.world
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          27 days ago

          You can get online official and physical official transcripts and, as stated previously, if the organization really wants that degree, they’ll request it.

          Like, yeah, you technically can fake it.

        • @IMongoose@lemmy.world
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          If you are comfortable committing mail fraud ya. Most places that require a transcript will only accept a sealed one mailed by the university itself.

          • @slacktoid@lemmy.ml
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            27 days ago

            I mean at this point might as well commit to the sthick, like whole ass it instead of half assing it. But also fair I’ve only sent copies on online unofficial transcripts

  • @odelik@lemmy.today
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    You don’t need to lie on your resume for it to stand out and be impressive.

    First, stop listing “duties” and generalized things for the role. As somebody that’s done a few hundred interviews, I quickly bin those resumes. I have a good understanding of what a related role’s duties are that would make you qualified for a role I’m interviewing for.

    Your goal in a resume is to show the hiring team of what you can provide to the team/company if you are brought on board.

    What you should do is keep track of you work successes and KPIs and periodically update your resume with those successes and metrics for that role. Got a top performer review status, log it. Increased sales for the department by some % for the year, log it. Delivered a highly complex & valuable project, log it.

    If you do the above, I can have a good understanding of what you’re actually capable of and how you utilize the skills you have within a role.

    • @RedFrank24@lemmy.world
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      Are you sure not including duties and what you actually did is recommended?

      Like, “Software Engineer” could mean bloody anything if you don’t specify what you actually did. You could have been mindlessly doing minor Jira tickets and running import tools, or you could be architecting entire pieces of enterprise software.

      • @odelik@lemmy.today
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        27 days ago

        Listing your successes, metrics, and accomplishments will drive home your actual work duties and capabilities.

        If you’re listing the following, you’ve failed in writing a solid entry to tell me that you’re a bugfix and data import wizard:

        • Utilized Jira to fix bugs.
        • Used company import tools to move data between systems.

        Instead, you could write entries like:

        • Took ownership and closed x bug tickets over y months which was z% over the organizational goal.
        • Created and documented a Workflow to speed up the process of importing data by x%, making me the go to person for company data imports.

        I’m not saying to lie or embellish either. I’m saying that you need to think about how you market your skills for sale as a service. If I’m looking for somebody with those skills, the latter two bullet points are going to stand out a far lot better than the former.

    • Maeve
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      27 days ago

      It seems to be the standard requirement in the USA, like having a resumé rather than a CV. I’d rather not, but it is standard, here.

      • @odelik@lemmy.today
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        I live in the USA. I use the process I’ve described on my resume. I’ve also just landed a new job and started within the last month. When sending out resumes on my latest job search I had a 90% response rate, all for jobs I’d actually like to work at. The job I accepted was after the recruiter that reviewed my resume reached out to me to tell me the role I applied for had been filled but that they had another role that I’d be a fit for in the process of being written and wanted to get the ball rolling so I could be at the front of the interview process for it.

        I’d say it’s “standard” because people were poorly trained on what to put on their resumes starting in high school and even college. I even used the “standard” before and struggled to land interviews early in my career. It wasn’t until about 15 years ago that I did a deep dive into resume writing and job searching techniques that I completely overhauled my resume and started actually getting call-backs/emails and interviews that would eventually wind up in landing jobs that I actually wanted.

        Just because something is “standard” doesn’t mean it’s what we should be doing, or is the right way. The job market has changed over the years and ATSs reviewing resumes meant that people had to figure out how to get past those systems 20 years ago. As LLMs have been added to ATSs it’s only gotten harder to get past the initial gate with a resume drop.

        A Kagi search for “resume accomplishments vs duties” will give you a plethora of sources discussing this from job seekers, HR professionals, recruiters, and even some university research.

        • Maeve
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          26 days ago

          Hi, thanks so much for that useful information. I don’t have kagi or any paid additional service. I’ll see what I can find, I do appreciate your letting me know!

    • GratefullyGodless
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      07 days ago

      So, what you’re saying is people should lie about work successes instead of degrees? Got it. Will do.

    • @Asafum@feddit.nl
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      998 days ago

      It’s why I’m stuck in a factory. I just don’t have it in me to bullshit/lie. I have a friend who worked his way into his career by saying whatever he needed to say and he makes 3x my salary.

      I wish I had no morals or anxiety…

      • @Signtist@lemm.ee
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        748 days ago

        The way I see it is that they’re looking to exploit me for as much as they can get, so I have no obligation to treat them with any more respect than that. I don’t lie, but I have no problem taking a single instance where I worked next to a couple newbies for an hour and gave them pointers and turning it into “trained and oversaw new hires to ensure proper workflow protocol” on my resume.

        • @baines@lemmy.cafe
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          27 days ago

          i hate working with people like this

          you can fool HR but not your coworkers for long and I sure as fuck don’t want to carry the new guy moreso if he’s making more than me

          • @Signtist@lemm.ee
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            57 days ago

            Carry the new guy? If you’re lying on your resume to say you have skills that you don’t really have, then you’re not doing it right. You’re supposed to figure out what your skills actually are, then embellish your resume to make those skills shine on paper. I’ve never had anything but glowing reviews from my employers because I made sure to apply for jobs that suited my skills, and formatted my resume to help me get hired. I’m good at training newbies, but my first employer didn’t trust me with that responsibility, so I embellished a bit on my resume to make sure my second employer trusted me enough to let me make use of that skill, and pay me accordingly.

      • I make higher than the median salary working at a factory. I left a job that required a college degree and professional licence that payed less than what I do now. Higher education requirements doesn’t always mean higher pay. You might just need to find a unionized factory. The lowest wage at my workplace is $25/hr (CAD). Local minimum wage is $17.20/hr and median wage is $21.83/hr.

        • @Asafum@feddit.nl
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          128 days ago

          That’s kinda the spot I’m at now, just no union. I’m “stuck” in that the wage isn’t horrendous for my background, but the area I live in is so expensive that it kinda evens out. If I want any kind of savings I need to stay in this garage I rent.

          I’ve wanted to make a move for the last 5 years, but COVID came along so i waited it out, then it was “omg recession is coming, recession is coming!” So I waited it out. Now we’re “blessed” with the Mango Mussolini who is hell bent on destroying the economy so again I feel like the only smart thing to do is wait it out…

      • @brbposting@sh.itjust.works
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        87 days ago

        Aww

        Hey silver lining though?

        You’re not gonna get fired and be embarrassed in ten years then go broke and lose your property and be unhireable etc etc etc

        There was a US story or few too - someone goes back and checks ancient claims, then it’s all bad

    • @chrischryse@lemmy.world
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      I’ll be honest that’s what I’ve done. But they weren’t lies of stuff I can’t do. More like “oh I made this small coding project”, “I’ve replaced phone screens before”, “I know how to debug code”

  • Lovable Sidekick
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    Even if you don’t agree with this guy, you have to admit his credentials are impressive!

    • We don’t check. I don’t really care as long as they can do the job. But believing they have a degree is useful for telling clients who specifically sometimes ask about the degrees of the people they’ll be working with.

      We also don’t DM people trying to recruit people tho.

      • @CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        288 days ago

        I swear being on linked in is like a dating app.

        If you’re a male in IT, the recruiters that DM you are always hot but likely bots. When you interact with them, they always want to steer you toward jobs that have nothing to do with what you want.

        They blue ball you until you get through the interview and then ghost you.

        • @spooky2092@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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          158 days ago

          Dude in iT, never had that problem and even doubled my salary through linked in. Anytime I actually interact with a recruiter I lay down my bare minimums and won’t even bother responding further/block if they can’t hit that.

          That said, LinkedIn is a shit hole not worth touching more than once every couple of years if you’re not looking for a gig. I don’t even really interact with people I actually know in there because the platform is terrible and 90% of public posts are from sociopaths who despise work life balance.

      • @ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world
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        88 days ago

        believing they have a degree is useful for telling clients who specifically sometimes ask about the degrees of the people they’ll be working with

        I used to work for a company that provided programming consultants for the US military and for defense contractors. The hourly rate we could be billed out at was entirely dependent on highest degree attained, so PhDs could be billed out at the highest rate, followed by Masters, then Bachelors of Science and then Bachelors of Art. It didn’t even matter what field your PhD was in, so my company was chock-full of useless people with advanced degrees who got put onto every project and told to just stay home. The worst thing was when they insisted on showing up and doing something.

        • I’ve had a job sorta like that where I was paid more to do the job and given better hours than some people with more relevant coursework just because I have a degree and they didn’t quite have one. Like, I wasn’t gonna complain and I was actually quite good at my job, but it had nothing do with the “BS” in my resume. No one was totally incompetent at the job at least.

          They eventually switched to paying primarily by relevant experience primarily rather than degree level, which seems like a better predictor of being good at the job from what I’ve seen.

    • @skozzii@lemmy.ca
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      We had a university hire a professor here that taught for a few years before they figured out they lied about credentials - only because they had no idea what they were doing, so it’s not an unreasonable strategy to throw as much shit against the wall as you can and see if any sticks.

      • @ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world
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        158 days ago

        My college had a professor of communications with a degree from a supposedly ancient (like, 13th century) Italian university. He only got exposed because we had a big ceremony for the newly-hired President of the college, with a procession that featured faculty and alumni walking in an order determined by the age of the oldest institution they were associated with. One of our alumni was a very famous author who was on the faculty at Harvard, and he was like “why am I not the first in line?” He looked up this comm prof’s “university” which turned out to be basically a prep school that wasn’t even close to being 700 years old. Comm prof was promptly fired, which was kind of a shame because he was actually a really good teacher.

        • @Sergio@slrpnk.net
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          Every element of this anecdote is awesome. It’s like a mix of a joke, a logic puzzle, a ragebait, and a true crime.

    • @ClassifiedPancake@discuss.tchncs.de
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      On my latest three jobs I’ve never been asked about proof for anything. But my CV is also not impressive at all. Harvard is sure to raise some questions, so be prepared to know every detail about this place and your story. Especially if you meet actual Harvard attendees at the company.

      • PhobosAnomaly
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        Do you think there’s a correlation between those who process further up the academia tree; and those who enjoy masochism?

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          yea, i heard alot of pi in academia are spending 60-80+hrs in thier labs everyweek managing it. plus if they are in university they are also managing classes, TA, and student labs.

      • @Ledericas@lemm.ee
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        PHD doesnt equate to a easy job find either, its pretty difficult if not very hard to do. in my state school i had department head reviewing 30+ prof/adjunts candidates in that semester alone. when i was going to research talks, one of them said the DR(who had come to our uni to give research talk about a subject he was doing) had written 40+ PAPERS before a employer was interested in hiring them. then theres the issue with that too, the quality of papers are dismal and then the profession itself.

    • @Ledericas@lemm.ee
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      just add x amount of experience to your degree, they look more into the bullsshit experience you faked(but they also likely wont verify your experience, unless you are incompetent than they start to question your resume), and most of the time they dont question it. assuming your degree is one field they will scrutinize. had a friend with MS in the science gave up searching, i dint do it either with just a undergrad. just add like 1 year experience to see if anyone bites, if nobody bites in a month, add another year(i think 2 year is when you see offer starts to come in.

      ALso some jobs may request LORs, fake them too.

      they tend to stay away from cv/resume with 1 or less years of experience, also they use software to automatically screen out certain keywords.

    • @paranoia@feddit.dk
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      Message people in your field on LinkedIn who may have a possibility of hiring you. Applying for job postings does approximately nothing.