• @milicent_bystandr@lemm.ee
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    272 years ago

    Wouldn’t it be nice to not have an adversarial, abusive relationship with your OS?

    The whole point of computers, as far as I can tell, is to be that abusive relationship we never could perfect with humans. Linux is no exception, it’s just more passive-aggressive and better with gaslighting.

    “You see, if only you’d installed this dependency, which I showed you so clearly in the error logs all along - and I categorised them so nicely - but you never like to look there, do you? - I mean, I understand, and that’s why I mentioned it - not too strongly, because I didn’t want to upset you more - in the terminal output…”

    • Justin
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      382 years ago

      Most Linux developers don’t include anti-features on purpose, but Windows developers do.

      I think dependencies have gotten simpler on Linux with flatpak. The fact that the command-line is still sometimes needed on Linux is just a fact of life. Nobody is forcing users to use it out of any sort of passive-aggressive distain for users, but just that it takes less time out of volunteer developers’ schedules to buold command-line tools.

      I think one thing to note in the CLI-GUI debate though is that Windows pushed hard against CLI interfaces from day 1. Even starting with Windows 3, there were a lot of things you couldn’t do with CLI easily, while Unix has always had full CLI support. Users being unfamiliar with CLI interfaces is a symptom of Windows dominance.

        • @Azzu@lemm.ee
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          2 years ago

          I mean it’s so logical, I have real troubles figuring out why so many people don’t get it.

          You can’t immediately see what options you have in a command line.

          In a UI, you see the “menu” button right there.

          If you have no idea about anything, in a UI, you can still click on the menu button, and are presented with more options.

          In a command line, if you have absolutely no clue, what do you need to do? Honestly, you have to ask someone who knows (be it a friend, a manual, or web search). You can randomly start typing or press keys, but the chance to get to something useful is very low.

          • Dave.
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            32 years ago

            That’s like saying Windows does… I.e. it’s not true. Maybe if you go back to the Win9x and DOS days.

            I don’t think you’ve seen the number of power user articles these days that give you two options :

            • Wade through 27 levels of keys and subkeys in regedit, create this dword, then stop and start this inscrutably-named service, or
            • Run this one line command in PowerShell.
              • Dave.
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                12 years ago

                It’s was definitely one of those “seemed like a good idea at the time” kinda things, but now they’ve realised they’ve created a monster.

      • @Grass@sh.itjust.works
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        52 years ago

        I use command line by choice on Linux, but find myself forced to use PowerShell to make a windows installation that is somewhat bearable.

      • @milicent_bystandr@lemm.ee
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        02 years ago

        any sort of passive-aggressive distain for users,

        Yeah, I don’t mean from the devs - though part of the community can be a bit like that sometimes. But the computer itself…

        I may have been anthropomorphizing, with a touch of experience-induced poetic imagination.

    • Rosco
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      252 years ago

      Package managers have become so much better with dependencies. It’s been a while since I’ve encountered an issue, with yay it very usually works out of the box.

      • @milicent_bystandr@lemm.ee
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        22 years ago

        Agreed. Though I do have recent experiences of dependency troubles. I really should get better at reporting them to the proper channels, but by the time I’ve worked out how to fix, I usually don’t have the energy left… 😕

        • @KnifeFighter@feddit.uk
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          102 years ago

          You realize that 16 means 2016, right? That’s almost 8 years ago. And even as someone who uses Linux I don’t like Ubuntu. I highly recommend trying Mint, Fedora, or EndeavourOS (Arch)

    • @tabular@lemmy.world
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      2 years ago

      There’s a difference between feeling abused from intentional mistreatment and then there’s frustration from miscommunication or inadequacy from either partner.