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I’m glad to be totally off of Reddit now but I have to say, props to the mods doing this kind of stuff. It’s pretty hilarious
They’re getting no end of grief from bad/paid actors though.
The amount of whinging and bootlicking from people taking Spez’s side was insane before I left for good.
It doesn’t seem organic. Protest posts would get 95% upvotes, then suddenly 12 hours later get slammed with bootlickers and downvotes.
Reddit felt really astroturfed for years now. Start mentioning Neill Druckman in any capacity and your post immediately got flooded with copy paste hate centered on TLoU2. It seemed organic at the time, but when the TV series came out it was very sus, as if somebody had forgotten to turn off their bot army.
What a weird thing to target with bots.
Transphobes came out of the woodwork for it. And not only were they annoying for the obvious reasons, but they’ve also poisoned the well for criticism. I loathed the plot, but I have to be careful with my criticism so I don’t get lumped in with them.
So much this! TLoU2 was a major setback for me in many ways, but a normal discussion was impossible.
I’ve talked to a few that seemed organic, but those were basically people who wanted Reddit to get back to normal and not waste time on bullshit that didn’t affect them personally.
i did check in a few communities that i was engaging with before, and honestly, it seemed organic, but it was always lurkers/semi-lurkers who don’t post and only comment like once every two months. accounts for the delay as well, because they don’t check reddit that often (before everything went to shit posts would usually be gathering views for a good 24 hours)
but reddit also started using chatgpt to prop itself up lately (which afaik is against chatgpt’s tos, so that’s nice for the future lawsuit if they wanna cash in), so idk. that does put a damper on their legitimacy.
Wasn’t it proven that majority of the positive spez posts are from bots or chatgpt or something?
At least one post was defending reddit in r/programming has been shown to be chatGPT, that’s for sure. If they have one bot, who’s to say they don’t have thousands?
I can’t tell you how many 1-2 year old accounts I saw with little to no post history that popped out of the woodwork to defend reddit/spez. It was crazy.
Same for spam/ shill accounts on iPhone/ Google play reviews.
They’re definitely trying to plug the holes with bubble gum instead of fixing/ addressing the problem which is spez and the 3rd party app/api ban.
Is it ironic that ChatGPT is defending spez increasing API costs “to combat LLMs”?
Using the Reddit users to destroy the Reddit users I guess.
Only if you don’t consider the core tenants of capitalism. Clear cut it all burn the rest to the ground. What you missed, steal from its owner to sell it back to them at the highest possible markup. Move on rinse repeat. Fuck sustainability. Most of the LLMs have what they want. Reddit could burn tomorrow for all they care. It being around for others to use and train on only makes competitors to them which they absolutely do not want. Destroying Reddit is a win-win-win for them.
Genuinely curious: how was that shown? How do you know for sure a post is generated by ChatGPT?
One of its answers in a thread was the classic “as a language model, I am not able to (…)”
That’s a bit more straightforward than expected, thanks! 😅
I’m curious about this as well, because the lurkers in the montreal sub sure are quick to come out of the woodwork whenever the protest is mentioned. I can’t see how it’s not bots, but I’m curious about how that would work exactly and how you determine that
Before I left I tried engaging with some of them, the only one to have a discussion was either a very fast typist or was doing a copy/paste. Their arguments weren’t really consistent and only made sense independently, they claimed to have read transcripts of the Apollo dev interview with the Verge and various other sources but completely misrepresented or ignored basically every detail that made Reddit look bad. It did not feel like a genuine discussion with someone who actually believed their own arguments or was interested in anything other than muddying the waters in defense of Reddit management.
You just described Reddit in general
No doubt, but they’ve really ramped up lately. It’s like all the manchildren from t_D suddenly saw their chance to be assholes again without consequence.
The un-moderated right wing shit has been very pronounced on Reddit the last few weeks.
… because Glorious Leader is a far right wing turd.
Watch r/ conservative and r/ conspiracy become default subs lol
I don’t think anyone would even notice next to the garbage that’s already served by default on Reddit.
Going to the front page not logged in is like visiting YouTube outside of your account. It’s fucking trash.
It’s almost as if making changes that are blatantly hostile to the unpaid group of people who literally keep your site from devolving into a cesspool on a daily basis isn’t the best of ideas…
This is how the playbook for Fascism works.
I look at it this way: it sucks, but it’s not surprising - it’s expected. There’s no reason for them to cater to the users, because that’s not how these things work. The people who made this decision
(a) mostly care about money
(b) were obviously willing to lose the favor of Reddit’s users for money
© have built a platform who’s monetization model has become somewhat at odds with what made Reddit good in the first place
(d) are probably going to succeed in making money from Reddit
It’s sad, it really sucks. But, there’s nothing we can really do about it, apart from things like post memes mocking Spez or making subreddits go “dark”.
Neither of those are long term solutions.
I’d rather we moved on and let it go, tbh. We could be doing a lot more
Almost like they’re being paid to do it.
Exactly. Depending on what time you posted, you could get two totally different responses to a post.
Yup, before the 1st I was getting mass harassed by what were clearly new accounts for pointing out the responders were clearly copying/pasting from a script.
But once that was pointed out, only 12 year old accounts with little posting history showed up lol, which seemed bizarre.
I had a guy try to justify the latter type of account as “I’m just not very active on reddit”. My man, you made one post, commented on one other post a few weeks later, then complete radio silence for 9 years, just to pop up spreading anti-trans propaganda on post after post?
I’ve heard before that in the early days of Reddit u/spez had hundreds of alts he would use to reply to posts to make Reddit seem more popular. I wonder if he occasionally resurrects them to support political arguments he likes or to defend Reddit admins.
I think this guy was just someone who’s defunct account had been hacked and used to troll. All of his comments from that day featured a ton of both sides arguments and misrepresented statistics, which to me looked like someone who was given talking points and tried to fix any conversation he could into conforming to them.
It was obviously propaganda, and I guess previously I would have thought someone who ran something ad large as reddit wouldn’t be so stupid and oblivious…but here I am on lemmy a few months later, so who knows. It’s now apparent that spez is that stupid.
That was the rumor, and oddly one he himself confirmed in Reddit comments years back, but he’s since swept that under the rug while he’s trying to sell Reddit, again.
But there have always been so many trolls since IRC and the AOL days, it’s like dealing with flies. Dealing with them usually ends up harming everyone in the long run, but you have to clean it up eventually. The dead giveaway with spez, should’ve been that he defending the trolls.
It sounds like one of the many of spez’ alts he openly admitted to having years back, since he seems to laud him self as a troll.
I hope they don’t bend to them. Reddit fully deserves this level of overt trolling at this point.
Literally nothing new. - A Reddit Mod. There’s a lot of power tripping shitty mods, but a lot don’t deserve half the grief they get. Some people tend to take out a lot of negativity on mods when they cannot see the human.
The griefing doesn’t look good for Reddit either. Harassing your unpaid volunteers = excellent investment, probably, I guess. Maybe it does, controversy keeps people engaged.
It’s very much inline with how wine makers pivoted during the US alcohol prohibition era by instead selling concentrated blocks of grape juice and a nice little pamphlet with a warning on how to avoid turning said grape juice into wine.
I honestly expected after the API changes rolled out that the backlash on Reddit would stop but I’m glad to see the shenanigans continue.
Same, as much as I hope lemmy succeeds, I simultaneously hope that the API changes get reversed. Good job to those fighting for this over there
I am afraid the two might be mutually exclusive. Lemmy is like old Reddit and still on early adopters. We get more and more newcomers only because Reddit is going downhill.
Though it’s not like it matters to most of us if they do reverse course. I already deleted everything on my Reddit account. It’s all gone permanently.
I think Lemmy’s biggest challenges are server stability, increased complexity to use (most don’t understand things like instances), and low awareness from others. I only learned about it a day or two ago. Signed up out of curiosity.
But if Lemmy gets even more popular then the various popular instances are going to be stressed. It looks unstable to newcomers who go back to Reddit.
I signed up for lemmy.world originally, constantly had Gateway errors. Lemm.ee seems more stable due to lower traffic.
But others may not be able to recognize that. Even if they did, might not want to create new accounts for several instances and go back to starting from 0.
Agreed. Also joined Lemmy a couple days ago and don’t yet fully understand how everything works. I’m hoping that lemmy apps add features to make it easier for people who aren’t very tech-savvy, like automatically assigning people to a general purpose instance (one that isn’t too full preferably) unless they wish to choose a specific one.
Another thing is that I believe links to posts are somehow instance specific and you have to “convert” them to point to your instance’s version of said post, or something like that, in order to see comments and interact. That seems clunky and should probably be made easier somehow, maybe apps could automatically convert links? Or maybe there is a way to make links instance-agnostic from the get go.
Just some things I’ve noticed in my time here. Very much enjoying the experience though!
One aspect I’d love (and is apparently in the works) is swapping instances while keeping your history. A migration tool of sorts. Would help.
Still the roughness is sorta endearing in its own way. But I don’t think it’d be endearing to most people.
Lemmy.world just finished pushing significant stability and performance improvements to the Lemmy codebase and to their own server, and from what I’ve heard it’s lead to significant improvements. I agree that Lemmy is unstable, but it’s also beta software undergoing rapid improvement, and I’m optimistic on where it will be by the end of the year.
I feel like most of the problem would be physical hardware. Costly servers that would need to be able to meet Lemmy’s growing demands.
I’m not sure how much optimization from the software side can be done to reduce resource requirements. There’s certainly things that can be done to improve user experience though.
At this point even if the API changes are reversed I’m don’t with Reddit.
I’m liking Lemmy a lot. I rolled my own instance so performance is great. The only issue is delayed federation of new posts, but comments seem to go through instantly.
How long of a delay? Do you known if the delay is on your end, taking a while to load from every other instance, or from the other ones being slow to “tell” yours about new posts?
I think the delay is due to syncing historic backlog on the community. Not 100% sure though.
On my instance it says that some communities are fully synced so it looks like there is zero delay. So long as lemmy.world or lemmy.ml are working on their end.
I believe the failed Twitter-to-Mastodon exodus made spez and his yesmen cocky. I hope they underestimated how much more tech savvy the average redditor is - especially the nexus poster, who keep the community afloat.
I think they overestimated how much engagement the average reditter provides. Most people are consuming content, but not contributing any or posting comments or clicking ads or anything. 90% of engagement is driven by like 20% of users or some shit like that.
I suspect twitter is similar. But a difference between Reddit and twitter is how easily power users can migrate.
On twitter, you follow people. Power users were often cautious cause they didn’t want to lose their followers and non power users wanted to be where the power users are.
But on Reddit, you follow communities. For power users, there’s few direct followers to lose and for non power users, as long as there’s enough content, it doesn’t matter much who created it.
Another important difference is that reddit concepts map better onto lemmy than twitter onto mastodon. Additionally, one important aspect of twitter is the proximity to journalists, celebrities and politicians. Reddit doesn’t really have that (except for /r/iama).
To be fair, Mastodon is still growing and it’s much easier to use now than a year ago. Reddit didn’t uproot Digg overnight.
I personally have left for Mastodon and never looked back. Ivory is making it so easy and beautiful. But I’m not following sassy quipsters, c-tier celebrities and outrage farmers, so I’m not really anything that stayed on Twitter. But a lot of these “nexus posters” haven’t done the switch and/or had done it but returned to Twitter.
Indeed, which of course communicates a fundamental misunderstanding about how people use Reddit vs. Twitter. On Twitter/Mastodon people primarily follow other users, so Twitter remains dominant due to the large number of celebrities, influencers, and politicians that use it. On Reddit/Lemmy, people follow communities, and as such as long as both are active a given community on Lemmy is just as good as a community on Reddit. This also of course impacts federation. With individual user federation discovery can be challenging and small instances will have relatively barren all feeds, but with community federation even instances with a few dozen users will federate with enough communities to fill the all feed. Reddit was also famous for the multitude of very nice features implemented by third party developers, all of which they just ejected, which means now those nice features will be available to Lemmy users. Apps are capable of abstracting and improving the user experience by suggesting instances to sign up to and presenting a unified feed of all of the instance feeds that the app has connected to, making everything feel far more connected. In a way I’m grateful to u/spez, his awfulness as a CEO pushed people here and made a lot of this possible.
Eh. They_were_ until about 4(?) years ago. I noticed there was a big shift when all of a sudden nobody cared about spelling and grammar mistakes anymore, and Reddit itself started changing to be more average-person minded. But in the beginning absolutely yes, that’s why the format was the way it was
No, I figured this would go on a lot longer than just the blackout. There has been a lot of built up resentment in the mod community that the admins never really addressed. Now that the admins ripped away most mod tools, a lot of mods are pissed.
I hope they can manage to tank reddit’s IPO
This has exposed the incompatibility of a company wanting to make $$$$, when it relies on volunteers. Mods aren’t eager to do unpaid work just so spez can get rich.
So long as it hurts Reddit, all the better.
This whole API issue is a lost cause, so the only thing that can be done now is to make Reddit lose big.
I wish more of the larger subs were still protesting and didn’t roll over so easily. But regardless the site has taken a massive hit to its reputation and one can only hope that recovery won’t be possible moving forward and it screws them out of their chance to go public.
I’m happy that they’re keeping it up, but I’ve already moved on to the point that even if Reddit were to completely go back on the API change, I wouldn’t come back. Personally I’ve already moved the goal post to where Steve Huffman needs to go before I’d consider ever going back. Reddit is dead for all I care.
Listen there’s a whole board at reddit that greenlit every decision he’s made. He’s not some mad scientist.
The way reddit has decided, as a company, to treat their users over the last 40 days or so, that’s enough for me.
Imagine if in the MySpace days we all found out that using MySpace was generating ad revenue for Tom so he could build a torture chamber for puppies. That would have been awful enough that even 20 years later, (holy shit MySpace was 20 years ago) and over a decade after Tom had left the company, we would still feel weird about going there to hang out online, and a lot of us would feel disgust every time we were served an ad on the platform.
What I’m saying, is Steve Huffman kills puppies and even accessing reddit.com is basically condoning puppy torture. Wait, no. What I’m saying is reddit has created a blemish so hideous that I wouldn’t, not even if I was like, really really drunk. Ya Digg?
Spez was a mod of the Jailbait sub so instead of puppies it was/is kids
I’ve been editing and deleting 10+ year old comments to deny them that sweet sweet LLM data. No way for me to go back, and I wouldn’t anyway
You should check to see that your edits hold. There’s been reports of users manually deleting posts and then showing back up a few days later.
They’re in full damage control mode.
Agreed. It is funny to hear about, but they would have to roll back years of changes for me to even consider it at this point. Since there is no money in that for them it is pretty much a moot point.
It doesn’t matter if huffman goes. This is the result of wanting to make $$$$$$. That won’t ever change.
As much as I’d love to log into Reddit and see this go down, I’m happy just not using Reddit. How much longer do you think they’ll hold out?
Do not underestimate average people’s resilience to enshittification
I just saw someone on one of my fb groups saying she’s heard a lot about reddit lately and wanting to make an account and asking how it works.
I tried to ward her off but the negative press just seems to be enticing new users.
My guess ist that if she still is on fb in 2023 she might actually love it on Reddit now and in the future…
That’s fine, they’re the people we don’t want over here. They’re part of Reddits problem.
Tell her one of the Lemmy apps is Reddit
It’s Teddit.
You can train mice or pigeons to hit a button for reward, but the button has to dispense reward pretty much 100%. Once they’re trained, you can dial down the reward - 50%, 25%…1% - and they’ll keep mashing that button, doing work for free. Human buttons and rewards may be more complicated, but it’s the same thing.
It’s the mods leaving that are going to doom the site. The users will follow soon after
Define “doom.” Reddit will lose its power users, its trendiness, and just become another forum for recycled content like 9gag or limp along like Digg or MySpace for years, but I don’t see it shutting down.
I fear this is true. 🤦
It doesn’t matter, at this point. Lemmy is already a good-enough replacement for reddit, with better core principles, and it’s just getting better.
Get some popcorn and watch the drama, and expect nothing.
It’s okay to expect more drama though, right?
Second drama? I don’t know if they know about second drama.
I trust in spez to commit to even more enraging changes to Reddit. When it’ll happen idk, but it most definitely will
You can always expect more drama.
I heard some people still use …Twitter!
Truly insane
Yeah, pretty much. The sad reality is that only the most outspoken will actually make a switch. The vast majority will simply accept it as the new norm, because they don’t care enough to bother with a new platform.
for now. switches like this don’t happen one day to the next. reddit has broken a lot of trust with its core users and put things in motion that cannot be stopped, at least without extraordinary action that they’re clearly unwilling of. these processes will take years to play out but they’re happening.
same thing is going on with twitter. the easier mastodon becomes to use and the more twitter falls apart, the more the flow of users from one platform to the next will pick up the pace.
The most outspoken are also the ones generating the most content.
Yeah, for now people are still going to incidentally use reddit for human-written non-seo optimized text.
Heck, I needed it last night for help with my computer.
Things will climax once sync for reddit releases their Lemmy app in 2-4 weeks
The apps are going to be a game changer. If they can make it easier and intuitive to sign up, manage your accounts, find communities, and eventually group communities together and filter your feed, casual users will start flocking. It’s all about the UX and UI.
I hope to see the apps even accept donations and distribute part of it to the Lemmy devs and server hosts to help keep things sustainable.
As an Apollo user, switched to wefwef and suddenly its like Reddit 10 years ago. Lots of interesting and weird content with great UX.
Is wefwef only for iPhone? I can’t seem to find it in the Google store.
Wefwef is a web app. You should be able to get it on anything with a browser.
Awesome thanks 😊
It’s a web app. Recently it’s become even more optimised, I can now type and navigate Lemmy without any lag on my phone at all. It’s not as choppy as you’d expect websites to be.
I use it as a web page on Android until sync for Lemmy comes out and it works great for me
Same! Also I just installed the Mlem beta and while it’s a bit buggy, it already works pretty well and it seems to work better for me than Wefwef (and it’s native which for me is a plus)
That and hopefully each app will create their own federations. It will be a refreshing to see the developers become the leaders
For those waiting, definitely try out Memmy for iOS. Right now it is in Test Flight, but should be releasing any day now. The dev seems super passionate and the app has gotten exponentially better in just a couple weeks.
I’m keen to give it a go but the beta is full. Am keeping an eye out for the app store release! In the meantime Wefwef is excellent and I may end up sticking with it anyway (no harm in shopping around though!)
I’m really enjoying wefwef. It’s basically Apollo for lemmy
I’ve been switching between Memmy and Mlem. Both have their share of missing features right now, I’m usually sticking with one until I hit a need to switch.
Both are great, Memmy is the winner so far.
A lot of us are looking forward to that day.
So far Connect for Lemmy feels close to sync. So far it’s working great on Android.
you’re talking about the 0.1 of the 1/9/90 rule resisting the clearly telegraphed decay of the platform they poured 5-15 years into on average. they built that place, do not underestimate the lengths they will go to keep it up.
assuming one more round of further threats, my prediction is that about half the currently protesting communities will either switch to a new form of protest, stop, or be made an example of, by about the end of july. but for a proper “end” of the protests, spez would be lucky if it happened by the end of the summer, and their negative impact on the platform is already severe and permanent. i honestly don’t know if the admins are stupid and/or out of touch enough to not notice the drop in content quality or are just bold enough to lie about it, but this spells the beginning of a long and inevitable process of people leaving to better sites as those who gave reddit its unique value stop contributing and giving lurkers a reason to stay.
reddit will never feel the same again, but it will feel about the best it ever will again around the end of the year, before the decay truly sets in. unless the admins choose that time for the next round of killing off old reddit, of course.
reddit will never feel the same again
It really doesn’t seem like the cool place it once was. They took the vibe away with these API changes.
lol without an app on my phone, I tried opening r/pics on my mobile browser to see the damage, only to be met with a “you must view NSFW communities in our app” page.
you can use old reddit but it’s a pain and a half on mobile
Hopefully long enough for casual users to start looking for alternatives.
I hope this is true.
Its going to be a while. Most content creators especially comic artists, streamers and youtubers are still on reddit. Their fans are there, and its unlikely they’ll budge until the comic artists post here too, or the mods of the youtube communities announce a migration.
I disagree. I know and follow a bunch of creators on social media and twitch, but even as a Reddit power user I knew so few specific users. Influencers may post links to their content but their Reddit account is hardly relevant.
Okay, hear me out:
I get the argument that most of these protests are meaningless/if you REALLY want to change you’re going to have to do this this this. whatever (I usually stop reading there). I understand, but I don’t agree.
Sure, it’s nice when a protest can actually enact real changes but lets face it; that’s not common and sometimes not going to happen: fine. The decision to make a protest shouldn’t be decided on the basis of ‘can I win’; a much less restrictive–and very deeply fun–philosophy should be "is this worth taking time out of my day just to annoy/frustrate/irritate those who are doing this?’ If yes (it should always be yes), "So lets find out how many ways me and anyone else I can recruit can make this happen’.
In other words: every time a subreddit finds a new and interesting and stupid and ridiculous and just weird way to be irritating and embarrassing af…I am living for this.
Very refreshing take on it. The cynicism about whether the protests were ‘worth it’ because we didn’t see massive results felt like it missed all the fun of giving the greedy corporation the collective finger.
If the only reason you’ll fight is because you think you can win, you’re doing it for the wrong reasons. Win or lose or both or nothing at all, you do it because it’s worth fighting for. Sometimes this ends with Brown v. Board of Education and Obergefell v. Hodges, but mostly, it won’t, so if the best I can do right now is give some people a very, very bad day, well, I’m in: let’s go.
Right. I fight not because I believe I’ll win, or even because I believe victory is “possible”, but because it’s more comfortable for me so to speak to be fighting than to quietly and passively support the ideology I disagree with. It is more “restful” to me to be fighting a fight I believe in than to be resting in a world I hate.
You. You are my people.
The problem is that the finger is still a form of engagement when you do it on the site you’re protesting. The admins don’t care as long as you’re still driving clicks.
Legit and I agree.
However, nothing in my experience with Reddit Admins has contradicted my impression that when they were five years old, you could give them a full screaming meltdown playing “I’m not touching you” in three minutes or less. Can I prove it if they aren’t melting down regularly over some of this where I can see it? No. But I know it’s happening, and that’s enough.
Honest question, is there such a thing as bad engagement? Or is engagement like that saying about bad publicity?
NSFW content can’t be monetised and advertisers are having second thoughts about their willingness to advertise there (or so the lowering number of clicks on the advertisement page leads one to believe), so I guess there can be bad engagement.
I can handle a fun protest.
The protests remind me of the last night at bar on land that just got bought by developers and will soon be torn down. The battle is lost, you can do nothing and leave or you can get weird and write your farewells on the walls, steal the toilet seats, and otherwise vandalize the place on your way out and have one last laugh with your friends before you head your separate ways.
Ha, I have a brick from Boston Garden.
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Been on Reddit a long time and feel this one is different. Not because it’s worse, or makes more people more upset, but because all those other times moderators still slightly trusted admins to not completely sabotage their own site. This time all goodwill has been definitively trashed. Above-and-beyond type extraordinary efforts to maintain communities like with IAmA and AskHistorians look to be going away forever, so are people maintaining tools to have a chance at handling spam etc.
Nobody wants to work for Reddit for free anymore.
I love it. Especially that the mods of the default subs have the balls to do it
turns out it’s not a good idea to piss off the unpaid people put in charge of front page subreddits
Meanwhile redditors on /r/piracy kicked their own mod for continuing the protest. I think their Lemmy migration to lemmy.dbzer0.com is a bit too effective and now only loyal redditors left at that sub.
On the flipside piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com has a lot better content and discussion than /r/piracy where it’s mostly the same memes reposted every few weeks.
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Can’t wait for the Reddit IPO to fail
Fidelity has been dropping the valuation of its stake in reddit, and that’s only as of May 31st. We don’t know yet how the value will respond to all this drama, but I suspect it will go down more.
The IPO might not fail, but they probably won’t get what they wanted out of it.
Unfortunately this probably means that the platform will sell to people who expect to get use out of it for direct public influence of some kind (marketing/politics).
Sadly they’ll still get rich as shit if valuation drops a lot so there isn’t much incentive to treat the community better.
I invest in quite a few tech companies and I was considering investing in Reddit, but there’s no way in hell I would now. I can’t be the only potential investor they have alienated.
Just don’t short it day one, it’ll pump and dump. Wait for it to 3x, then short it.
I just went and looked at r/videos and I gotta admit that the text-only descriptions of videos and enforcing swearing in every post title is pretty funny.
That’s absolutely hilarious
No point in protesting, we already have a better alternative.
Deliberately using an alternative is a form of protesting.
Deliberately using an alternative is a form of protesting.
And it can be, sure, but it’s not always the case.
I’m not just using Lemmy until or if Reddit backtracks, I’m using Lemmy because I believe it’s the superior platform in many ways and has more to offer. I didn’t make an account here in sign of protest, I made one because Lemmy was suggested to me and I’m liking it better than where I came from.
I’m also aware that many users on this platform would go back to Reddit if they backtracked on the API keys.
Content is king! If you can find anything you need on here, there is no reason to go back!
No. And it’s specially not the case if you consider the “alternative” to be better.
deliberate, here’s the defintion
Yeah, the best protest is a reduction in monthly active users.
It’s so weird to see all the people still fighting on Reddit when I’ve already moved on
Most importantly I think the app devs have moved on. They’d have to do something particularly amazing to lure them back. That’s the death knell.
Yes, I think the biggest mistake spez made was sending all the best devs on the platform directly to his biggest competitor.
I really dont see a point in fighting at this point. Reddit is dead for me.
The point is to trash the site so new users don’t join, if they replace the number they lost they can say “hey look, we recovered in only 6 months”
I haven’t even looked back. I have been through this a few times before. Yahoo chat and myspace to Facebook. They aren’t EXACTLY the same. But I have seen it enough to know that they clearly aren’t listening to their users.
Eh, I’ll go against the grain and be honest. I still use it on my desktop at home. Zero mobile use. The user base and information there is still massive at the moment. Once that changes it’s in my rear view, but I won’t pretend like I don’t.
Reddit is a lot less active now. Gotta love it
People on Reddit keep saying things are mostly back to normal, while tiny subs are hitting the front page of /r/all on the regular with like 2k votes.
Also, I’ve noticed a pretty significant increase in overt racism. Or rather, significant decrease in moderation of it. I shouldn’t be surprised but it keeps catching me off-guard.
Like what? I can’t say I’ve noticed much difference other than less activity overall
For myself, the quality in posts has dropped significantly. I’m always challenging myself to learn, I also learn better with things that interest me. I’ve found since Boost for Reddit went down that not even old reddit is catching my attention. I feel bored. This is for popular or r/all. If I’m on my own homepage it’s like Reddit never changed as I’m subbed to mostly all small subs.
For my frontpage the change is small but still noticeable:
/r/pcm was always holding on by a thread, it looks like all the quality posters and moderation have left/given up.
/r/chess is down about 10-20% of its normal upvotes
/r/ProgrammerHumor is down about 50%
/r/Sysadmin is surprisingly normal-ish for upvotes, but the posts aren’t great. Although that sub has been mostly off topic rants for a while now… not sure I want to purely attribute that to the API change.
I haven’t been back but do you have any data to back that up?
Not that I don’t believe it, I just want some schadenfreude
I agree.
Also when we’re all being fucked over no one has a right to say how we (in general) should be protesting. People get to show their anger in whatever way they want. It’s like people asking for civility so they don’t have to deal with uncomfortable messages. Um fuck no. NSFW all the way if that’s what one decides.
Thanks for agitating
The start of your comment reminded me of the exchange between Trevor Noah & Tomi Lauren where Trevor asks her, okay, so if this protest isn’t good, and this kind isn’t good, how should black people protest? How should they make their grievances known? And she just could not answer that question. Protests aren’t comfortable–they’re disruptive by nature. If protests don’t challenge anything or make anyone uncomfortable, what are they even doing?
It’s even healthier when you think about how this anger is being shown in a non-violent manner. If it helps people to express and work through their feelings about changes before deciding to accept those changes or to go elsewhere (setting aside the slim chance that anything actually changes which is rare in my personal experience), then I think it’s perfectly fine and normal.
While i wholeheartedly agree that people should protest however the heck the want…
…I still don’t get the rage this issue is causing. Don’t get me wrong, I’m the guy who has a list of businesses I don’t do any sort of business with because of their policies. But i feel like this could have been resolved with shutting down all subs and then everyone taking the summer off from computers. Instead everyone took 48hrs off and then had to get back to their addiction and ramp up their anger in the process.
The NSFW thing is awesome though.
well, some people don’t care, but others like me have been years there finding and joining communities, and for others who became admins and moderators, they spent a good chunk of their time to create and take care of communities over years for free. Now that has been taken from them, and even each step Reddit takes, enrages the content creators and curators even more, so they respond because they don’t want to give up, and now they may want revenge. So I totally support everything they’re doing, from filling it up with useless content to fill it up with NSFW content to avoid ads and so ruining Reddit cash flow. And I hope they keep going on for a while.
I get it. I’m a mod on a few subs and its definitely work.
The part that always stuck with me was that im on some company’s site, one I don’t pay for. I had no expectation that’s they would be benevolent and totally expecting that at some point they’d fuck everyone over. That’s what big business do.
I guess it just seems odd to me that so much of the site came back up so quickly. If half the site went private until they reversed the changes it would either be resolved or no one would be using the site. Most made it 48hrs, a few maybe 72. But the blackout didn’t really do much and yet people are still angry.
The blackout was fairly short, although some subreddits did continue it. But the main reason a lot of these subs stopped the blackout was reddit kind of forced their hands to reopen subs. They sent messages to all sub mods saying if any single mod wants to reopen the sub to get in touch with them and they’d basically get the head mod position and be able to take over. They also implied that if subs continue to stay private they’d find someone that is willing to take over moderation responsibilities so the sub could reopen. The solution to this that moderators came up with was to open the subs but purposely sabotage them with ridiculous rules. Preferably ones that would require the sub to become a full time NSFW sub.
Also you seem to be arguing that a blackout is effective but ridiculous sub rules like /r/videos can’t post links to videos isn’t effective. Both are effective. There are a lot of people that are probably trying lemmy because popular subreddits like /r/videos and /r/pics are pretty useless in their current state… they’re effectively as good as private in their current state without actually being private.
All you’re saying is people caved and wanted their addiction back. No one was really willing to walk away and Reddit knew that. If you have one scab the whole union concept falls apart. And because Reddit can just replace mods i don’t trust that they won’t do it whenever they please. They have no fiduciary or legal agreement with you to kept you as a mod when they feel your protest is harming them.
I have a feeling with a simple query we will see the mods of these newly NSFW subs will suddenly lose their mod role.
I’d like an app that can scramble (not delete) all my posts. Does that exist?
For for how much heavy handed their initial reaction was, I’m surprised that Reddit doesn’t take more aggressive actions. Spez has the loudest voice on highest pole, yet so far he only managed to anger everyone.
Fuck Spez.
